Turan Dursun (1934-1990)

Célèbre Athéiste Turc / Ecrivain Turan Dursun

Dursun est né en 1934 dans le village de Gumustepe dans le district Sakisla de Sivas en Turquie. Son père était un imam (prêtre musulman) qui rêvait de faire de son fils le plus éminent écolier religieux de son temps « Sans égal en connaissances même à Basra et Kufe ». Pour cette raison il n’envoya pas son fils. Turan, à l’école primaire officielle (où il aurait reçu peu ou pas d’éducation religieuse). En conséquence, Turan a passé son enfance sous la supervision d’un nombre de scheiks et de tuteurs religieux dans de différents endroits derviches. En ce temps, le but principal du jeune Turan était de remplir les souhaits de son père. Son ambition et son talent étaient tels qu’il finissait généralement des années de cours en seulement quelques mois. Il appris le kurde en 3, 4 mois juste pour être capable de comprendre les lectures des instructeurs kurdes qui avaient les meilleurs connaissances de l’Islam en ce temps là. Il était encore un enfant quand il appris les dialectes « safy » et « nahy » de l’Arabe aussi bien que les formes de la langue arabe de pas seulement le 11-12ème siècle mais aussi du 7-8ème siècle. Quand il atteint l’age de 17 ans, il avait lu le kazviniye et obtenu l’Icazet ( un degré de qualification en Islam. )

Turan avait encore a obtenir un diplôme de l’école primaire officielle afin de se qualifier comme mufti ( un imam en charge d’autres imams ) – ce qu’il fit bientôt, et démarra sa carrière comme un imam de village. Ensuite il donna des lectures dans les madrasats (universités religieuses) d’Istanbul, Carsamba, Ucbas, et Ismailaga. De 1958 à 1966 il était le mufti de Tekirdag, Gemerek, Altindag et Silvas. Bien qu’il soit regardé comme un étranger par les cercles islamiques de ce temps, pour son intérêt peu commun au kémalisme ( l’idéologie officielle de la République Turque fondée sur les principes de la laïcité et de la démocratie ) et son opposition aux strictes applications des lois islamiques ( la charia ). En conséquence de quoi il fût envoyé pour remplir des postes sans importances dans les lointaines régions du pays. En ce temps il devint connu auprès du public comme le « religieux scolaire éclairé ». En suivant cela, il abandonna ses devoirs parce qu’il sentit qu’il ne croyait plus dans les principes de l’Islam.

Dursun entra dans le travail de préparer des programmes avec des contenus religieux pour le réseau de télévision officiel, et en 1989 il commença à écrire pour le magazine hebdomadaire « 2000’e Dogru » (Droit vers l’an 2000). Malheureusement, quelques temps après Dursun – en ce temps le père de trois enfants grandissants, fut assassiné.

Source en anglais et en Turc : http://www.turandursun.com

Traduis de l'anglais pour vous mes chéris, par votre serviteur !

Pour les turcophones, y a aussi du turc évidemment !
A lire: Bu Din I, II, III et IV

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L’ASSASSINAT ET LE PROCES.

Peu de temps après avoir quitté sa maison dans la partie asiatique d’Istanbul, Dursun fut assassiné par deux hommes armés. Plus tard il fût découvert que quelques articles manquaient des étagères de la librairie de Dursun. Un livre fût trouvé sur son lit titrant « La terreur sainte du Hezbollah » qui, d’après ses proches, n’appartenait pas à Dursun et avait probablement été laissés comme message par les terroristes.

Le rapport de Police ne mentionna aucun article manquant.

En résultat de l’investigation, 15 suspects furent arrêtés mais ils furent immédiatement relâchés après leur première apparition à la cour.

Peu de temps après, deux cas séparés relatifs au crime furent initiés. Dans l’un de ceux là, le chef directeur de l’organisation terroriste – incluant Kudbettin Gok , Mehmet Ali Şeker, Mehmet Zeki Yildirim, et Ekrem Baytup – furent accusés du meurtre de Turan Dursun. Pendant que ce procès était en progrès, des nouvelles arrivaient de la capture de Irfan Cagrici, le dirigeant de l’IHO, qui était mené au procès de lui et 12 de ses camarades.
Bien qu’il y eu plusieurs contradictions dans le procès. Gok et Şeker ne furent pas trouvé coupables dans un des cas, pour exemple.

Comme au temps présent, aucun résultat n’a été obtenu des investigations de la police ou du procès. Que dit le fils de Turan Dursun, Abit, à propos de cela ?

“ Oui, nous avons beaucoup souffert de la perte de notre père, mais, la société – nous incluant – souffre encore plus parce les meurtriers de mon père et de gens comme lui (il mentionne ici quelques noms comme Ucok, Mumcu, et Aksoy qui ont aussi été assassiné dans des conditions similaires à la même époque) n’ont toujours pas été attrapés et exécutés.

Abit Dursun est l’autre d’un livre intitulé « Mon père Turan Dursun ». Il se rappelle de son père à un point dans le livre comme :

« Un intellectuel qui recherchait le fondements de l’islam contrairement à ce que personne d’autre n’avait fait avant lui, avec son sa superbe connaissance de l’arabe et de l’Islam. Il recherchait et questionnait depuis des années, ce qui, bien sûr, dérangeait les islamistes fondamentaux.

Abit Dursun croit que le l’enquête ne fut pas menée en détail par la police « il y a des éléments suspects à la fois avant et après le crime. La négligence de la part de la police, qui admit plus tard qu’ils avaient fais des erreurs, était si sérieuse que l’on doit se rendre à l’évidence que les « erreurs » furent commises à des fins lucratives. La Police n’a pas enquêté consciemment. Les autorités essaient de couvrir des choses que nous ne connaissons pas encore. »

En effet quelqu’un pousse contre apprendre les détails et la conséquence de l’assassinat. Nous entendons encore d’Abit Dursun :

« La police en uniforme arriva 40 à 45 minutes après les coups de feu juste quand le policier en civil – qui avait fouillé la chambre de mon père et mis quelques unes de ses notes et livres dans un sac en plastic noir—eu quitté les lieux. Maintenant, il manque de la librairie 2000 pages de l’encyclopédie du Coran et tous les volumes de Kullateyn sauf le premier. Nous avons demandé à l’avocat général pour ces articles mais 9 ans après notre requête nous n’avons toujours obtenu aucun résultat. Tout ce qui a du prendre une vie entière à être créé est parti. Tout cela est la conséquence de l’arrivée de la Police.

Ce qui arrive dans l’esprit de Abit est un groupe illégal ou un gang à l’intérieur de l’Etat. Ce gang serait lié au Hezbollah. C’est assez intéressant que le IHO de Irfan Cagrici se retourne plus tard pour s’allier au Hezbollah. Le meurtre fut sous traité par une organisation tirant apparemment le bénéfice de l’état de facilité, d’après Abit.

Abit croit aussi qu’il pourrait y avoir une filière iranienne : « Le nombre de menaces que mon père reçu fut à son maximum quand le Hezbollah s’organisa en combattant serviteur. C’est la région d’où mon père reçu sa dernière lettre de mise en garde."

La suite quand j'aurais moins la flemme...

bien que ca soit intéressant je reste sceptique ?

TURAN DURSUN (1934-1990)

Turkish Writer/ Islam Criticer
LIFE STORY OF IN BRIEF


Dursun was born in 1934 in the village of Gumustepe in the Sarkisla district
of Sivas (Turkey). His father was an imam (Muslim priest) who dreamed of making his son the most prominent religious scholar of the time " unmatched in knowledge even in Basra and Kufe " . For this reason he didn't send his son , Turan , to the official primary school( where he would have received little or no religious education). As a result Turan spent his childhood under the supervision of a number of sheikhs and religious tutors in various dervish lodges. At that time
the main goal of young Turan was to fulfill his father's wishes. His ambition and talent were such that he usually finished a few years of courses in only a few months. He learned Kurdish in 3-4 months just to be able to understand lectures from the Kurdish instructors who had the best knowledge of Islam of that time. He was still only a child when he had learned the "safv" and "nahv" dialects of Arabic as well as the forms of the Arabic language of not only the 11-12th centuries but also the 7-8th centuries. When he reached the age of 17 he had read the Kazviniye and obtained Icazet (a degree of qualification in Islam).

Turan still had to get a diploma from the official primary school in order to qualify as mufti (an imam in charge of other imams ) -- which he soon did, and
started his career as an imam in a village. Then he gave lectures in the madrasats (a religious university ) of Istanbul , Carsamba , Ucbas and Ismailaga. From 1958- 1966 he was the mufti in Tekirdag , Gemerek , Altindag and Sivas. However he was regarded as an outsider by the Islamic circles of that time, because of his unusual interest in Kemalism (the official ideology of the Turkish Republic founded on secularism and democracy principles) and opposition to the strict application of Islamic rules (sheriath). As a result he was sent to fill unimportant posts in remote areas of the country. At this time he became known among the public as the "enlightened religious scholar". Following this, he resigned from his duties because he felt he no longer believed the principles of Islam.

Dursun entered into the work of preparing programs with religious content for the official TV network, and in 1989 he began writing for the weekly "2000'e Dogru" (Towards 2000) magazine. Unfortunately, soon afterwards Dursun - at that time the father of three grown children -- was murdered.

THE ASSASSINATION AND TRIAL

Shortly after leaving his home in the Asian part of Istanbul Dursun was assassinated by two gunmen . Later it was discovered that many items were missing from Dursun's library shelves. A book was found on his bed entitled "the Holy Terror of Hizbullah" which, according to his relatives, did not belong to Dursun and had probably been left as a message by the terrorists.

The police report did not mention any items missing.

As a result of the investigation, 15 suspects were arrested but they were immediately released after their first appearance at court.

Shortly afterwards, two separate cases related to the crime were initiated. In one of these, the chief directors of the terrorist organization -- including Kudbettin Gok , Mehmet Ali ªeker, Mehmet Zeki Yildirim, and Ekrem Baytup -- were accused of murdering Turan Dursun . While this trial was in progress, news arrived about the capture of Irfan Cagrici, the leader of the IHO, which led to the trial of him and 12 of his comrades.

However there were many contradictions in the prosecution. Gok and ªeker were not found guilty in one of the cases, for example.

As of the present time, no results have been obtained from the police investigations or the trials. What does Turan Dursun's son Abit say about this?

"Yes , we have suffered a lot from the loss of our father , but , this society -- including us -- is suffering even more because the murderers of my father and of people like him (he mentions here a few names like Ucok , Mumcu, and Aksoy who were also murdered in similar ways at that time) have still not been caught and executed."

Abit Dursun is the author of a book entitled "My Father Turan Dursun." He recalls his father at one point in the book as:

" an intellectual who researched the fundamentals of Islam unlike anybody else had done before him ,with his superb knowledge of Arabic and Islam. He researched and questioned for many years, which ,of course, disturbed the fundamental Islamics."

Abit Dursun believes that the case was not thoroughly investigated by the police : "There are dubious happenings both before and after the crime. The neglect on the part of the police, who later admitted that they had made mistakes, was so serious that one must assume that had made their "mistakes" on purpose. The police knowingly did not investigate. The authorities are trying to cover up things we do not yet know."

One indeed is startled upon learning the details and the aftermath of the assassination. We hear again from Abit Dursun :

"The uniformed police arrived 40 to 45 minutes after the shooting just when
the plainsclothed policemen -- who have ransacked my father's room and put some of his notes and books in black plastic bags -- were leaving. Now missing from the library are 2000 pages of the Encyclopedia of Koran and all the volumes of Kullateyn except for the first . We have asked the Attorney General for these items but 9 years after our request we have still not obtained any results. Everything that took a lifetime to create is gone. All this because of what
happened after the arrival of the police."

What comes to Abit's mind is an illegal group or a gang inside the state. That gang might be related to Hizbullah. It is quite interesting that IHO of Irfan Cagrici later turned out to be allies with Hizbullah. The murder was subcontracted to an organization apparently taking the benefit of the state facilities, according to Abit.

Abit also believes that there could be an Iranian connection: "The number of threats my father received peaked when Hizbullah organized in Batman. This was the region where my father received his final warning letter ."
A FEW PAGES FROM TURAN DURSUN'S BOOK (Din Bu 1):

God changing his mind

According to Religion Institute’s official translation, the meaning of 106th verse of al-Baqarah:

“Whatever the validity of Our verses We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that God Hath power over all things?”

How ever this translation’s saying “validity of Our verses”, in fact the word “validity” doesn’t exist. In other words, “abrogating of verse itself” is what is told in this verse.

In this case, God of the Quran is saying in the verse above:


* Sometimes, We abrogate verses.

* Sometimes, We also cause verses to be forgotten.

* When we abrogate verses or cause them to be forgotten, we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof.

* Know that Allah has power over all things?


In this verse it’s clearly stated that some of the verses were abrogated, and some of them were caused to be forgotten. It’s also stated that some of the verses brought in place, are better, some of them are similar.

Substituting, Abrogating Verses

The meaning of 101st verse of an-Nahl:

“And when We put a verse in place of (another) verse, - and Allah knows best what He reveals - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.”

Here, a revelation which is said, is substituting for another one. One of them is abrogated, and the other one is brought in place. Either in al-Baqarah or al-Nahl it is said that these are done by God.

“Nasih” is a way of explanation invented by the Quran commentators, for the contradictory verses in Quran. “Nasih” is also used for explaining the Hadith’s contradictories.

In 65th verse of an-Anfal, after saying “O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight (war).” then it continues “if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.”

God clearly informs that believers can overcome unbelievers whose army is ten times bigger. But then he changes his mind. Look what’s he saying: “For the present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows-comprehends [alimellahu] that there is weakness in you; so if there are a hundred patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a thousand they shall overcome two thousand by Allah's permission, and Allah is with the patient.” (an-Anfal, 66th verse)

Turan Dursun, 26th October, 1989


The Moon had been rent into twain and had fallen onto the earth!

Let's examine the miracle which is called The Shak al-Qamar (Moon's Division) Miracle. According to Religion Institution's authorized translation, 1st verse of al-Qamar Sura comes to mean:

The Hour (of Judgment) draws nigh, and the moon leaves.

In this translation, the words "is nigh, leaves" don't match the words in the verse. In the verse, for this sentence, past tense is used. So the right form is: (drew nigh, left) For being suitable for the word "enjacca", instead of "left", we should use "rent twain". Religion Institution's translation is an attempt of concealing "irrationality and being unscientific", which was based on the interpretation of Ibn ul-Gewzi (see, tefsiru ibnu'l-Gewzi, 8/89) These interpretations are not accepted by Koran commentors. (See M.Ali Sabuni, Safvetu't-tefisir, 3/284; Hizin, 4/226.)



For these reasons, the right translation of the verse is:

"The hour drew nigh and the moon was rent in twain." The following two verse comes to mean: "And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion. They denied (the Truth) and followed their own lusts. Yet everything will come to a decision." (al-Qamar 2-3)

As you see, these verses clearly told that the moon had been split and that event had also signed that the judgement day had been nigh, and unbelievers had denied that event. Let's examine the hadiths about the events which these verses were about.

Is the moon in the sky, or the Hira Mountain in Arabia bigger?

The students in the primary schools think that the question is nonsense, don't they? But, according to hadiths, it shouldn't be considered as nonsense.

Son of Malik, Anas told:

"The people of Mecca asked the Prophet to show them a sign (miracle). So he showed them (the miracle) of the cleaving of the moon. The moon was cleft asunder into two parts. So that, they were seeing the Hira Mountain between these parts. (See Bukhari, e's-Sahih, Kitabu'1-Menakib/36; Muslim, e's-Sahih, Kitabu St- fati'l- Munafdun/46-47, hadith no: 2802.)

Abdullah Ibn Masud told:

"While we were in the companion of the Prophet in the Mina, the moon was cleft asunder suddenly and it became two parts. One part went beyond the mountain, the other remained at the near side of the mountain. On that, the Prophet said, "Witness this miracle." (See Bukhari, es-Sahih, same part; Muslim, e's-Sahih, same part, hadith no: 2800.)

Think. Unbelievers wanted Mohammed to show a miracle, so that he could prove his prophethood. God gave power to Mohammed, and Mohammed showed his miracle: The moon in the sky, the moon which has stepped by Americans, the moon which we know was split into two parts. The moon which was separated, fell onto the earth. It could fit into the small area of the earth. When it fell, it didn't give any harm to anyone. The moon had been so small that: The Hira Mountain was bigger. As looking from a distance, the Hira Mountain was able to be seen between the two moon parts! And think. The people of Mecca didn't regarded even that event as a miracle, although they witnessed the "Event". And the moon which was able to be seen from everywhere, split into two parts and fell onto the earth, and nobody didn't notice this. Nobody neither saw nor wrote the "Event". Except Mohammed's believers... In addition to this, division of the moon was the proof that judgement day was nigh as told before.

According to the hadiths and verses above, we should "believe" those. Certainly, everyone is free in believing. Who can judge this belief? What we are doing now, just a determination and an exhibition. It shouldn't be omitted that: How believers have right to believe, unbelievers have right not to believe. Allowance freedom to the manhood's mind and science requires this.

All of the Turan Dursun' s Books (Kaynak Yayinlari ):

1)Kuran Ansiklopedisi: (Encyclopedia of Koran, 8 books, Turkish text)

2)Din Bu 1: (Best seller book of Turan Dursun, 20th edition since 1990, Turkish text)

3)Din Bu 2

4)Din Bu 3

4)Din Bu 4

5)Kulleteyn: (Romance)

6)Allah: (Koran' s god)

7)Dua

8)Kutsal Kitaplarin Kaynaklari 1

9)Kutsal Kitaplarin Kaynaklari 2

10)Kutsal Kitaplarin Kaynaklari 3

11)Din ve Seks (Religion and sex)

12)Unlulere Mektuplar

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Ahh j'ai retrouvé le post

Ceci est une citation avec traduction de Turan Baba qui se trouve en introduction de son livre Dua, la prière...

" Elimdeki ışığın önemini ve gücünü biliyorum. Bilgim var yüreğim var ve insanlara, insanımıza yararlı olmaya çalışmak gibi bir huyum var. Varlığım, ölümdür kuşkusuz. Ama ölümsüz katkılarım olsun istiyorum. Insan aklının zincirlerinden kurtulup 'oh' diyeceği, soluk alacağı daha güzel bir dünya için. çabalarım bu yolda."
Turan Baba.

" Je suis conscient de l'importance et de la force de la lumière qui est dans mes mains. J'ai une nature à faire en sorte pour que cela soit profitable pour ceux que nous sommes et pour l'humanité, j'en ai la science et j'en ai le coeur. Mon existence, est de toute évidence vouée à la mort. Mais je veux que mes contributions soient impérissables. L'être humain, par la raison, se débarrassera de ses chaînes en disant 'ah', prenant une bouffée d'air pour un monde plus beau. Ainsi je m'évertue à créer ce monde."

Contrairement à Hrant Dink, lorsque Turan Dursun a été assassiné, il n'y a pas eu des dizaines de milliers de personnes dans la rue pour lui rendre hommage. Pourtant, cet homme a voué sa vie à la connaissance et à lutter contre l'ignorance. Lui aussi savait qu'il était menacé, que ses jours étaient comptés. Ses assassins n'ont jamais été véritablement recherchés, donc jamais retrouvés. Il avait ausis été trainé devant les tribunaux pour ses idées.
Mais il était non croyant et avait donc bien plus d'ennemis que Hrant Dink. Imaginez-vous en Turquie des personnes oser descendre dans la rue avec des pancartes "Nous sommes tous des gavur (athées)" ou "Nous sommes tous Turan Dursun"? Non qu'il n'y en a pas mais que tous savent que la police ou le gouvernement ne bougerait pas le petit doigt s'ils étaient attaqués. Ils se souviennent tous de Sivas en 1993 où de telles personnes avaient été brûlés vivants dans l'incendie de l'hôtel sans que l'Etat n'intervienne.
Etre athée en Turquie est encore le véritable tabou. Un athée ne s'affiche pas. Un athée n'a pas de moyen d'expression (journal, radio, etc). Un athée n'a pas d'association. Un athée n'est pas invité à la télévision pour des débats.
Je ne suis pas en train de dire qu'il faut s'intéresser uniquement au sort des athées de Turquie et laisser de côté les Arméniens, les Kurdes ou les Alevis. Mais je trouve dommage que personne ne les soutienne réellement car seule l'union fait la force. L'union de qui ? Celle des personnes qui veulent la considération, le respect qui leur est dû en tant que citoyen de ce pays et le respect de la dignité humaine!
Certains font un focus, certes nécessaire, sur la montée du nationalisme en Turquie en minimisent dangereusement l'autre danger: l'AKP. Depuis leur élection, les femmes, les chrétiens, les athées, les alevis, les homosexuels (LGBT en général) sont les premiers à souffrir de l'intégrisme et de l'intolérance de ce parti. Mais bon, on entend encore ici et là qu'ils sont démocrates! Leur démocratie reste musulmane, donc à l'adresse d'une certaine catégorie de la population. Et les autres ?